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Post by Hero on Wed May 11, 2011 11:08 am

The AFL is a joke. Seriously, how can a consumate ball player like Jack Trengove be ousted for three games for the tackle he laid on Patrick Dangerfield. The sanitisation of our game is a joke. How can the perfect tackle be punished? The cynic in me suggests that maybe football is beginning to parallel the 'politically correct ' world in which we live. We all know what politically correct means. Let people think you are doing the right thing whilst secretly you are screwing them behind their backs. Turn it up. What's next?
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Post by Megabonus on Wed May 11, 2011 11:11 am

he's a thug!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by gerry on Wed May 11, 2011 11:12 am

Bullshit.
I agree Pez. Jack Trengove is a thug and should have been banned for longer.
You have to look after our players otherwise the AFL will be mired in long, drawn out legal proceedings.
How apt that he is a part of the Heroes Hotheads.

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Post by Macca on Wed May 11, 2011 11:43 am

Piss off Gerry!

Jack Trengove is a ball player, a man of immaculate integrity and a genuinely fair person...he has been crucified.

That tackle was so technically perfect in so many ways, you would have to be a tard yourself to think he meant to hurt Dangerfield. He couldn't even see that Dangerfield had disposed of it.

How he gets 3 games when genuine thugs like C Brown get less for deliberate thug acts is beyond me.

I know as a fact Jack is absolutely devastated, given he knows Pat Dangerfield very well.

Seriously, you have to be taking the piss. Or never played the game (Pez I know thats the case with you ...you spud).

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Post by Hero on Wed May 11, 2011 12:01 pm

Yeah, what Macca said! Seriously Pez and Gerry you must be joking. Macca knows the boy well. I have spoken to Jack a couple of times and from my perspective he is a self effacing, humble and honest young man who loves the game and his club. He is a football purist in every way, untarnished by his growing fame. Punishing him for that tackle is like kicking your pet dog in the guts for licking your face.

You guys must be trying to wind us up or you both are a couple of homo's. Futhermore Gerry, you tea sipping punce, I would defend Jack even if he was a part of your franchise.
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Post by Megabonus on Wed May 11, 2011 12:05 pm

macca macca macca.....so ive never played the game hey......

whats that about assumptions...mother of all fuuuuck ups?????

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Post by Hero on Wed May 11, 2011 12:14 pm

Pez I can remember you as the 'Master of Mental Disintegration' when you fielded at silly mid off for the RMCC, however, please tell us about your exploits when you played footy for Norwood HS or in your formative days in Whyalla.
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Post by Megabonus on Wed May 11, 2011 12:18 pm

you know me well enough to be able to make an informed guess as to what position i played...think about it for a second....

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Post by Jason on Wed May 11, 2011 1:03 pm

This is something I dont understand about our great game. Why is it you can only have an educated opinion on the game if you have played it? Simple fact is unless you have played a sport at the highest level do you really have more of an insight to someone who has only watched the game. I dont think so. Sounds too much like a Graham Cornes comment if you ask me.....

As for the actual OP, unfortunately we live in an age where the result of the contact is just as important as the intent and execution. I think Leigh Matthews on 5AA tonight summed it up perfectly, you get more for murder than attempted murder. 3 games is plain stupid, especially when Campbell 'Sniper' Brown elbows Callan Ward in the face and only gets 2 games. But in light if the path the AFL wants to go down, I think 1 game would have sent the same message to the players as what the 3 games has done.


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Post by Macca on Wed May 11, 2011 9:56 pm

To be honest, I dont think you need to have played the game Jase...but in this case it goes along way to helping understand both Jack's intent and execution of that tackle.

BUT I will not allow calls of 'thug' to go through knowing Jack as I do.
Both Pez and Gerry labelled Jack a thug...I took offence and questioned what they would know about the game...maybe what I should have done was asked them what they know about Jack?

Jack is so far away from being a thug it is inexcusable to let that one sit.

What will never be known by the media is that Jack was challenged by Dean Bailey (after the WCE game in review meetings) on a level that brought about the physical game that he played against Adelaide. Without going to deep into Bailey's words, it is fair to say that Jack's intent was to win back the belief and respect of his coach.

As Andy alluded to, Jack is a humble and self effacing boy from Naracoorte in the SE. He happily chats with anyone, he would never say, let alone do anything malicious to anyone. He is no thug.

So...I will reaffirm why stance by saying that if you believe the tackle that Jack Trengove applied to Pat Dangerfield was the act of a thug, you have either never played the game or have no clue as to the quality of Jack's character.



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Post by gerry on Thu May 12, 2011 9:36 am

Ok I will rephrase.

Jack Trengrove is a nice, sweet country boy. Like Andy.

What he did was thuggish.


I don't care about his reasons for doing it.

What Brownie did (another one who "acts in a thuggish manner" by the way) was terrible but in no way justifies what Trengove did. Stop being ethical relativists!

Players have been told that if you tackle like that, you will be penalised. The reason they bought that in was to reduce potentially serious injuries to player's heads.

If Trengove doesn't understand that, then he can go and play another game. Like soccer.

Andy and Macca, your judgements are clouded by your relationship with the boy.

Stand back, take a deep breath and think about it.
That sort of tackle is no longer part of our great game.
Thank FSM for that!

And boys try to stick to the facts if we can rather than supposition and hearsay.


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Post by croz on Thu May 12, 2011 10:29 am

OK...I had not seen the vision of this until 1 minute ago, when I was intrigued enough by the discussion to have a look.

My opinion is that the tackle was not worth a 3 game ban. It is not worth 2 or even a 1 game ban.

No, we dont want to see these tackles any more as it is dangerous to the player that cant protect himself, however I dont see any maliciousness (spell checker didnt pick that word up - is it even a word?) in what young Jack did.

Regardless of the fact that Jack is, by all accounts, a great guy, I would say the same for any player. Did he appear to try and hurt Dangerfield? So in the heat of the battle he grabs one of his arms...then what? Of course he is going to tackle him to the ground.

A reprimand would have been suffice.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Post by Macca on Thu May 12, 2011 10:54 am

Croz...well said!
When a respected umpire puts it that way it is incomprehensible that a committee of elite judges can't see the same.
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Post by Hero on Thu May 12, 2011 11:01 am

Well balanced and much appreciated feedback Croz. As for Gerry he is either a complete bufoon or just trying to wind us all up.
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Post by Macca on Thu May 12, 2011 11:06 am

gerry wrote:Ok I will rephrase.

Jack Trengrove is a nice, sweet country boy. Like Andy.

What he did was thuggish.


I don't care about his reasons for doing it.

What Brownie did (another one who "acts in a thuggish manner" by the way) was terrible but in no way justifies what Trengove did. Stop being ethical relativists!

Players have been told that if you tackle like that, you will be penalised. The reason they bought that in was to reduce potentially serious injuries to player's heads.

If Trengove doesn't understand that, then he can go and play another game. Like soccer.

Andy and Macca, your judgements are clouded by your relationship with the boy.

Stand back, take a deep breath and think about it.
That sort of tackle is no longer part of our great game.
Thank FSM for that!

And boys try to stick to the facts if we can rather than supposition and hearsay.


Completely disagree with almost all of that.
Supposition and hearsay? You are kidding right?
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Post by gerry on Thu May 12, 2011 11:27 am

So, the Match Review Panel got it wrong.
The Tribunal also got it wrong.
And, finally, the Appeals Board got it wrong in dismissing his appeal in 7 minutes!

All well and good for Croz to give his opinion but the EXPERTS, the people paid to make the decision, disagree - emphatically.

There was no long, drawn-out discussion of the issue. It was clear cut.

In announcing the verdict, board chairman Peter O'Callaghan QC said the three tribunal members who made the original decision were experienced and the finding they made was clearly open to them.

Also, about your bullshit arguments about me not playing the game. I haven't but neither of you have played AFL. So what!

However each of the above panels/boards/committee has a selection of former AFL players in them. Any chances THEY know what they are talking about?

If Trengove and Melbourne think that this is the way to play footy, then they will remain in the bottom eight for a long time.

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Post by gerry on Thu May 12, 2011 11:28 am

Macca wrote:
gerry wrote:Ok I will rephrase.

Jack Trengrove is a nice, sweet country boy. Like Andy.

What he did was thuggish.


I don't care about his reasons for doing it.

What Brownie did (another one who "acts in a thuggish manner" by the way) was terrible but in no way justifies what Trengove did. Stop being ethical relativists!

Players have been told that if you tackle like that, you will be penalised. The reason they bought that in was to reduce potentially serious injuries to player's heads.

If Trengove doesn't understand that, then he can go and play another game. Like soccer.

Andy and Macca, your judgements are clouded by your relationship with the boy.

Stand back, take a deep breath and think about it.
That sort of tackle is no longer part of our great game.
Thank FSM for that!

And boys try to stick to the facts if we can rather than supposition and hearsay.


Completely disagree with almost all of that.
Supposition and hearsay? You are kidding right?

Wow. Very dismissive.
So that's the best you can do?

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Post by Megabonus on Thu May 12, 2011 11:53 am

Also, about your bullshit arguments about me not playing the game. I haven't but neither of you have played AFL. So what!


Bang Bang!!!!!! he shot you down...Bang Bang!!! to Chinatown......

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Post by Megabonus on Thu May 12, 2011 12:02 pm

Trengove said the AFL had made the rule on rough conduct clear, but said he would not change his ways.

"I'm still going to go about my footy the same way and tackle with aggression,'' he said.


"I felt as though the tackle was still good so I'll stick by that.''


not only a thuggish act but arrogant...isnt this just asking for umpires to scrutinise him and his team-mates further???....

humble country boy...i think not...

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Post by Milnee on Sun May 15, 2011 4:38 am

OK here is my two cents worth
The sling tackle is a dangerous tackle as is the pile driver tackle. Neither of these were performed by Trengrove.
No charge!

However the umpire who gave Brogan a fifty metre penalty because and I quote

"you can't stare at me that way"

is an absolute poofter even in the AFL Homophobe round
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Post by croz on Sun May 15, 2011 5:03 am

Please, no more references to homosexuals. It can be a touchy subject. Exclamation

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Post by Hero on Sun May 15, 2011 8:29 am

What do you exactly mean by that Croz ?
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Post by gerry on Sun May 15, 2011 12:30 pm

Glad you have come round to see my point of view on this matter, Hero.
It takes a big man to silently say he was wrong. Very Happy

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Post by croz on Sun May 15, 2011 1:28 pm

Hero wrote:What do you exactly mean by that Croz ?

You know what I mean!

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Post by gerry on Mon May 16, 2011 12:18 pm

Milnee wrote:OK here is my two cents worth
The sling tackle is a dangerous tackle as is the pile driver tackle. Neither of these were performed by Trengrove.

I need to hear your definition of a sling tackle.
I've seen it again, and if that is not a sling tackle, I'll stop winning the Dream Team.

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Post by Milnee on Mon May 16, 2011 2:54 pm

Basically he has been falsely accused of thuggish behavior and after watching it again i admit he he was aggressive in the tackle. We saw at least four or five more tackles similar in practice to what jack did but fortunately no one was concussed. The tribunal punished jack because Dangerfields head hit the ground. I can not accept that it was ever jacks intention to do so. you may call it a sling tackle if you wish but I argue that the tackler intentions were honourable. campbells elbow to the face behind play only gets two weeks so has far as jack is concerned it is an over reaction on the tribunals part.
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Post by Macca on Tue May 17, 2011 12:14 am

Milnee is right again.
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Post by Jason on Tue May 17, 2011 10:17 am

Macca wrote:Milnee is right again.

Wow. Has Hell frozen over? What have you been smoking boys?

I can feel the love!!!!

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Post by gerry on Tue May 17, 2011 11:20 am

Milnee wrote: you may call it a sling tackle if you wish but I argue that the tackler intentions were honourable.

Ha, ha good one. Good luck with that type of argument in front of a magistrate.

Your honour, I was only 20 kph over the limit. That I side-swiped the cyclist was unfortunate but my intentions were honourable..."

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